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\fs24\lang1033\langfe1033\cgrid\langnp1033\langfenp1033 {\insrsid11018867\charrsid11018867 O}{\insrsid4994039\charrsid11018867 NONDAGA COMMUNITY COLLEGE}{\insrsid11018867\charrsid11018867 
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Dr. Andreas Paloumpis, President}{\insrsid4994039\charrsid1718174 
\par }\pard \qc \li90\ri0\nowidctlpar\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin90\itap0\pararsid4994039 {\insrsid1718174\charrsid1718174 INTERVIEWED BY}{\insrsid4994039\charrsid1718174 : Julian Vernet
\par }\pard \qc \fi-3870\li3960\ri0\nowidctlpar\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin3960\itap0\pararsid4994039 {\insrsid4994039\charrsid1718174 February 11, 2003}{\insrsid11018867\charrsid1718174 
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I'd like to thank you very much for agreeing to be interviewed for the OCC history project and I just have ten questions that I'd like to ask you. We can start with the first one. }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid8944357 
I'd like to get an idea of your first involvement with OCC.}{\insrsid11018867 
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\par }{\insrsid8944357 AP: }{\insrsid11018867 My first involvement with OCC came while I was still in Illinois. I was the vice president for academic affairs at Illinois Central College. Our president had retired, I was one of the fi}{\insrsid6187470 
nalists for the presidency, the }{\insrsid11018867 other finalist was the vice president for financ
e and administration. Bud got the job and I thought he was well worth it. I was very interested in a presidency myself. One that caught my interest looking through the }{\ul\insrsid11018867 Chronicle of Higher Education}{\insrsid11018867 
 was Syracuse, NY. It wasn't because I like to sp}{\insrsid8944357 end }{\insrsid11018867 winter
 wonderland. The institution sounded very, very interesting. I did some checking... at that time internet was not a very big thing and websites were not very big either, if you recall, in }{\expnd0\expndtw4\insrsid11018867\charrsid6187470 1977}{
\f2\fs18\expnd0\expndtw4\insrsid11018867 . }{\insrsid11018867 So it took a little jumping around. I was very interested. I t
alked with my wife, I talked with my kids, you know the whole bit and put in an application for the presidential search. That was my first involvement.
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\par }{\insrsid8944357\charrsid8944357 JV: }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid8944357 How did that go, the search? You came here, obviously, and went through the process.}{\insrsid11018867 
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\par }{\insrsid8944357 AP: }{\insrsid11018867 I went th
rough the process and flew into Syracuse for the first interview. It was a very interesting interview. I thoroughly enjoyed it because of the involvement of everybody, the method that was employed, the whole bit. I met with the board committee, met with J
ohn Mulroy, who was quite a character \endash 
 I thought the world of John, met with education committee, you know that kind of thing from the legislature. Had an opportunity to meet the faculty and staff in rather small groups. Came away with a very good impressi
on, not only of the interview but of the school and came back for the final interview and was offered the position.
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\i\insrsid11018867  }{\insrsid11018867 that's great. }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid8944357 I'd also like to ask you how long you were here at OCC and over the time what you saw happening but how long were you here for the record?}{\b\insrsid11018867  }{
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\par }{\insrsid8944357 AP:}{\i\insrsid11018867  }{\insrsid11018867 We were there for six years. I came in the middle of October of }{\expnd2\expndtw12\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 1977}{\f2\fs18\expnd2\expndtw12\insrsid11018867  }{\insrsid11018867 
and left in September }{\expnd0\expndtw4\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 of }{\expnd2\expndtw12\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 1983}{\f2\fs18\expnd2\expndtw12\insrsid11018867  }{\insrsid11018867 for a total of six years.
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\insrsid11018867\charrsid8944357 What do you think is your idea of what OCC's mission was while you were president?}{\insrsid11018867 
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\par }{\insrsid8944357 AP: }{\insrsid11018867 Well, just to give you a little of the hysterical background. Prior to going into community college administration, I had been a professor of zoology
 and fisheries at Illinois State University. Some of those graduates at Illinois State University, I think, have been somewhat successful, not counting myself. }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 One }{\expnd0\expndtw4\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 of }{
\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 the students I remember at Illinois State when I was teaching there from }{\expnd2\expndtw12\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 1956-67 }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 was a yo
ung kid by the name of Kenneth "Buzz" Shaw. As I remember, I think he's made out fairly well. The university system, I thought, was changing. Illinois State, which I dearly love and taught there for eleven years, the community college was just starting to
 
explode in Illinois at that period of time. I was offered...I had left Illinois State and started a two-year private college in Pontiac, Illinois and I was offered an opportunity to go to Illinois Central College as the vice president for academic affairs
. The community college}{\insrsid11018867 
 system just fascinated me because to me it was the kind of education that we have all thought about, talked about but the community colleges really came about and started to do. Onondaga was in that same position. They had a multiple
 mission. They had not only the college transfer, which I regarded as very, very important, but we also had the associate degree in the technologies. We also had the}{\insrsid8944357  }{\insrsid11018867 
programs for the individuals who needed additional help. For the returning students, for t
he students who had never thought about going to college who suddenly found that they could go to college even on a part-time basis and that mission to me was a very, very exciting mission. The attitude, of course, and you have to realize...I don't want t
o sound as though I'm kind of a stuck in }{\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid11018867 the mud back in Illinois \emdash  the thing, of course, that is always very interesting is that in the northeast}{\insrsid11018867 
 part of the country, and its very obvious why, the elite schools are considered to be the private schools and 
that's because the private colleges and universities were the first ones founded in the northeast. In the Midwest it was very, very different. The private colleges were not highly regarded and so were the state universities. Now, that was due to the land 
g
rant college act that occurred that really pushed the public institutions ahead very, very heavily. I had made a statement one time when Dr. Cliff Wharton was the SUNY chancellor and we were in a meeting and somebody said something about community college
s
 didn't garner the respect that they should from some of the higher education institutions. My comment was that in some cases you have institutions that will regard the poorest private college as better than any public college. So there was always that ki
n
d of thing that you had to cope with at that time, especially if you were a student who was transferring and we worked very, very hard to make sure that their credits, their degrees, the kinds of things that made transfer a very easy thing. So, the missio
n I totally agreed with then and I totally agree with today.
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How would you describe the students and staff of OCC while you were here?}{\insrsid11018867 
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\par }{\f37\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid8944357 AP: }{\insrsid11018867 The students I felt very comfortable with. In many cases, in fact I have to comment, my first experience in comi
ng to Syracuse for the first interview I had a thought that everyone in New York spoke like people from New York City and I found that wasn't quite true. They almost talk like they're from central Illinois. The students and it always fascinated me over th
e
 years that I've been in administration in community colleges, that the students are the students anywhere you go. You find the same kinds of students, the same kinds of problems, the same kinds of dreams and aspirations, and they were no different than w
h
at I was used to. In Syracuse I felt very comfortable with the students in Syracuse. The faculty and staff, as president in any institution the president, of course, is always suspect by faculty and staff and sometimes by students. I think that we develop
e
d a very good working relationship with faculty. I can still remember Joe Agonito had his history class in the room right next to my office and I used to leave the back door to my office open and Joe would come out of class and periodically we would stand
 
there and talk and talk and talk. There were a lot of people I thoroughly enjoyed and I think you find that in any institution. Not that we always agreed, I would not expect to have full agreement. We had negotiated two contracts in the six years I was th
e
re. Both times we were close to the union going out on a strike, which did not occur. But, nevertheless, there was always that kind of relationship that you have to work with. Not that it's bad, it's just that you have to know what you're dealing with whe
n
 you have to go into negotiations and start from your own side and from your own position and then you have to figure out how to get to that middle ground where everybody is happy. I enjoyed the faculty. They were a diverse group as they always are, did n
ot agree with them all the time but I have to say they did not agree with me all the time. But I enjoyed them, they were fun to work with, very professional.
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What did you find to be most interesting about your experience at OCC?}{\b\insrsid8944357 
\par }\pard \s17\qj \li72\ri0\nowidctlpar\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin72\itap0\pararsid6187470 {\insrsid8944357\charrsid5656650 AP: }{\insrsid9180144\charrsid5656650 That's kind of a diffi}{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 
cult one. I think I'll go back to something we started at OCC and that was the annual madrigal at Christmas time. I don't know if they still do that or not. We started that and it turned out to be one of those fantastic things that garnered for the col
lege a respect amongst the community and people and everybody else that showed that the college was more than just a place where students went because they couldn't go to another college. The }{\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 
amount of work that the people \emdash  students, faculty, staff \emdash  put into that and I remember the first one}{\insrsid8944357\charrsid5656650  w}{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 
e had. We had it over in the ballroom in the student center and when they were singing their final song, it started snowing outside and it was just really an awesome type of a thing. We used to love to put that on, m
y wife and I with all of the people involved. They really went overboard and worked hard. That to me was one of those kind of fun things that you get behind and do a great job on it.
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What were the greatest challenges that you felt you faced while you were at}{\b\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650  }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 OCC? }{\insrsid1195117\charrsid5656650 
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\par AP: }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 Well, I think first of all when you come into any institution there is that period of ti
me, I don't call it a honeymoon period of time because everybody is kind of feeling everybody else out to figure out OK what's this person like?, what's he plan to do?, am I going to be in trouble, you know those kinds of things. I think the most importan
t
 thing was establishing that the president isn't necessarily an ogre, can be but not necessarily, there are things we can talk about other than why are you picking on me or why are you doing this or why are you doing that and that to me is always a challe
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ge. I think one of the things, I used to meet monthly with the faculty association, faculty senate, which in many cases was very heavily unionized as you might imagine. I'd make my statement and then it was an open question and answer period. Now, you nev
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r knew what you were going to get as a question, but you could always...to me it was a real challenge because you never knew what was coming up but it was good to know after you heard what people were thinking about. We all knew, of course, that the newsp
apers were not overly happy with the college for whatever their reasons might have been. I remember coming out, the Board had invited me out to a Board meeting prior to my taking over and it was during a time when negotiations were going }{
\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 on and so on the agenda at that time the president of the faculty senate was on the agenda and would}{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 
 make about five minute remarks to the Board. That evening I was sitting off to the side, I wasn't sitting at the Board table or anything, when they turned it over to the sena
te president he said he wanted to turn it over to the president of the union for some comments and there were a number of }{\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 
faculty members there and they had their signs and so the president of the union made his comments}{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650  and then at the end that part was o
ver and we went on with the Board meeting, which was usually a boring thing and the faculty got up and they left. You know, that's not a surprise. I'd hate to have to sit through Board meetings myself. The next day in the newspapers it said `striking facu
lty walk out on new president.' I said to somebody, `what meeting did I attend? Was I at a different meeting?' That was a challenge. Working with the county legislature was a very interesting challenge because a}{\insrsid9527690 
t the time I went there John Mul}{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 roy, of course, was the county executive. When }{\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 
I first got there the republicans were in charge of the legislature and then shortly after the democrats}{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 
 gained control for two years under Mike Bragman and that was a very interesting experience going from one to the other and back again. So there were many, many challenges and they were very good, they were fun.
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What did you think were the most important changes to occur while you were at }{\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 OCC?
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\par }{\insrsid1195117\charrsid5656650 AP: }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 That's hard to say. There had been some animosity...I think we were ab
le to slow that down and allow people to go ahead and do the job that they were supposed to be doing. Not that they didn't before but you had to reestablish that kind of an attitude and I thought it was very, very good the way the faculty, staff, students
 and administrators really responded and I thought that was the important thing.
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\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 came in after a fairly turbulent time.
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\par AP: }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 Yes.
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Maybe you might be able to tell me about some of the highest and lowest points that you felt were part of the history while you were here and anything that was particularly difficult or anything else particularly good.
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n we completed successful negotiations. To me that was always a high point because now you could set that aside from being foremost in your mind for at least a three-year period while you then went on to work and didn't have to worry about getting into th
e
 negotiations. That didn't mean that you didn't have to pay attention, just didn't have to devote so much time to negotiations. I would say there were two lows. One, of course, is that our daughter was killed in a car accident in 1981 coming home from wor
k. She was living with us in Syracuse. The second low was when I...my wife and I always talked about when I grew up and was old enough to retire, I was going to retire and we were going to move to Florida. I spent }{
\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 eight summers in Tarpon Springs as a kid, I love that part of Florida \emdash  the Tampa Bay area. We had}{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 
 always decided this is the part of Florida we would like to retire to and then the job came open in Tampa at Hillsboro Community College and I applied for it and ended up getting it. Once we got down 
here, my wife said and she still says the same thing, `honey, you can work as long as you want.' She was already in her retirement place, so....and you know it was very, very difficult leaving Syracuse. We had made a lot of friends, we still hear from a l
o
t of them, for a number of years John Mulroy and his wife when they were down this way would give us a call and stop in and see us, Jane Byrne and her sister stopped in. A number of people...we still get Christmas cards from Tarky Lombardi and you know, y
ou can't after spending six years in one place whether you want to or not you make some very, very good friends and then to leave it's like leaving home again.
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How would you characterize relations between OCC and the community when you were president?
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thought they were very good. I think one of the problems, of course the one newspaper and I think that was a personal thing not against the college per se but in many cases it may have come off as being against the college. Basically I thought the c
ommunity was behind the institution. Remember, our football team that we didn't have was not as good as Syracuse's, neither was our basketball team and being in the same community with an institution like Syracuse, a very important, very potent community 
I never regarded us as being in competition with them although I think at times we were in certain areas. Mel was chancellor when I went there. Since we've been in Florida we've had the Outback Bowl, what is now the Outback Bowl \emdash 
 the Hall of Fame Bowl, we'
ve had Syracuse here twice. The first time they were down, Mel was still the chancellor. The second time, Buzz Shaw was the chancellor and we got to see so many, many friends at that time from the community. I think the community supports, in fact I saw t
he kind of support whenever we went to the county legislature. There was a great deal of support for the college. From what I understand that hasn't changed a great deal. I think the support is still there.
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Finally, maybe you could give me some idea of what the future would hold for OCC.
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think as with all colleges, universities, etc}{\insrsid9527690 .}{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 
 right now we are all facing about the same kind of problems. We know educationally what the problems are and how we can resolve them and what we need to be doing. We 
know that we've had to totally shift from a nation that had factory jobs that didn't require a great deal of education to jobs today that require education. The role of the community college is so vital in that area in workforce development and all those 
kinds of things. But, we all are facing the same problems \emdash 
 funding, funding has always been a problem that has been exacerbated. For instance, here in Florida last year the taxes collected by the state, they were $1.5 billion behind in taxes collected from
 tourists. 9-11 had a real impact not only on New York City. It had an impact on entirely across the United States. Tourism took a hard hit and of course in Florida tourism is a very, very important industry. As a result, at a time when community colleges
 have to do more, they're getting less money to do it and still expected to do more. That to me is a great, great challenge and of course we'll survive, we always have and we're}{\insrsid1195117\charrsid5656650  }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 
mean enough and stubborn enough that we're not going to let it stop us from doi
ng the important things that we need to do. I think the future is very, very bright for community colleges and all of education but I'm kind of biased toward the community colleges.
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\par JV: }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 That's great. Thank you so much for taking the time to answer the questions and take time for the interview.
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\expnd0\expndtw2\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 How }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 long have you been at OCC?
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\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 actually graduated from Syracuse University in history and got my doctorate in May and I just started working on the history project for OCC this year. They're putting toget
her the college history. I'm researching it for the writer of the history of OCC, who will be writing the history since its forty years now.
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Now, they have not...I have not heard from the board on who is actually going to be writing the his}{\insrsid11498833 tory at this point. But }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 
the first phase of the project is collecting the oral histories and doing an archival research on a timeline. So that's what I'm engaged in right now. So, this is going to be an impo
rtant part of that obviously. So, I'd like to thank you again for the time.
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\par JV: }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 Actually, I moved to Syracuse from Kingston, Ontario, so}{\insrsid1195117\charrsid5656650 \'85}{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 
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\par AP: }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 Oh, across the river.
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Yes, right across...exactly, right across...if
 you go straight up 81 and take a left that's the first city there, so I came down to do my doctorate. I graduated from Queens University up in Kingston and came down to Syracuse to do my doctorate in American history.
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 brothers passed away.
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\par JV:}{\i\insrsid1195117\charrsid5656650  }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 Oh.
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\par AP: }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 I}{\i\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650  }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 think it was Phil Berrigan that passed away.
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\par JV: }{\i\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650  }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 Right.
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There was Phil, Dan and Jerry and Jerry taught at OCC. Is he still around?}{\insrsid1195117\charrsid5656650 
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\par }{\insrsid8477947\charrsid5656650 JV: }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 I'm not sure about that, actually. I'd have to check on that.
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I'm pretty sure that Joe Agonito....
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\par JV: }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 Yes, I've spoken to him.
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\par AP: }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 Have you really? If you talk to Joe, give him my regards.
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\expnd0\expndtw2\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 I }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 definitely will. I'll be talking to him again soon. We talked last week so I'll do that for certain.
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always enjoyed Joe. I think that we had established a rather nice relationship in our discussion periods after he would come out of class and I would have my office door open and it was so easy to just stop by to say hello and chat.
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reat to talk to. I really enjoy talking with him.
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I'm sorry I wasn't able to get up for Kathy, oh hell \endash  the radio/TV station - I'll think of her name. I was planning to come up when they dedicated the TV lab but I wasn't able to make it. I was in Wil}{\insrsid11498833 kes-Barr}{
\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 e at the time and then we had some lousy weather and knowing the lousy weather I decided no, I have to stay.
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Sure. I'm actually conducting the interview from inside here actually. That's exactly where I am.
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know that Dr. Malfitano had passed away some time ago. He was on the board at the time and his daughter, of course, was teaching in Dental Hygiene program there for a number of years. There are a lot of very, very good and fond memories.
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 it. It's going to be very helpful. }{\insrsid8477947\charrsid5656650 
\par AP: }{\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 Hey, what's the weather like?
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The weather is cold. It has been cold here for the last week. We're going to be hitting the negatives in the next couple of days. But, it's been sunny. That's one of the things when
 it's bitterly cold, it's sunny and you know Syracuse, when it's above freezing, it's generally cloudy so, you know you take the warm with the clouds and the sun with the cold so...
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I'm not going to complain then about our 65 degrees.
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\par JV: }{\expnd0\expndtw2\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 No, it'll be negative eight here tomorrow night.
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\par AP: }{\expnd0\expndtw2\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 Listen, I enjoyed the conversation and good luck on your project.
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\par JV: }{\expnd0\expndtw2\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 Thanks so much for your help.
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\expnd0\expndtw2\insrsid11018867\charrsid5656650 ou're quite welcome.
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