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\f2\fs22\expnd-1\expndtw-5\insrsid1203757 Institute of Technology, and for the Oral History of the college}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  itself, this will be an interview with President Marvin Feldman. The date 
is November 13, 1984; the interviewer is Mildred Finger.
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\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  President Feldman, suppose you start back at some very early }{\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-4\insrsid5524037 point in your life, and let\rquote }{\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-4\insrsid1203757 s hear what your interests were when}{
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Roosevelt High School in, I think, '43 or '44, and I joined the}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  Navy. I was a Machinist Mate 2nd Class on the U.S.S.. Steamer }{\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid1203757 Bay. We fought in the Pacific. I left the Navy
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plebe" in 1947 or '48. I was a cadet at the military aca}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757 demy until 1951.
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A: Oh, my rage, I guess, about the Holocaust. I didn't discover until years later my father had joined the }{\f2\fs22\expnd-1\expndtw-5\insrsid1203757 British Fusileers with Jabotinsky and he had been}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  }{
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A: Oh, I was. As a child, I sold... I was a good salesman. As a matter of fact, I was very good at it. I even once, in a huff, went to work for Sears & Roebuck. I sold }{\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid1203757 
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\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  }{\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-3\insrsid1203757 In any event, I had a lot of GI Bill time, so I took}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  }{\f36\fs20\expnd0\expndtw-3\insrsid1203757 a }{\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-3\insrsid1203757 degree -}{
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\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-3\insrsid1203757 with t}{\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-3\insrsid5524037 he CIA for a while (State Depart}{\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-3\insrsid1203757 ment) and a fellow by the}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757 
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of it. And I knew it was just a matter of time before I'd stumble, because it's very difficult to keep control. We're talking about money, which during an average few months is $400-500 million, and you really have to watch it. I thought }{
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because people will follow money anywhere, and the idea is not}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  }{\f2\fs22\expnd-1\expndtw-6\insrsid1203757 to develop a marriage with a grantee, but keep him somewhat at a}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757 
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Case Western, the
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University of California, Santa Cruz, the University of New Mexico... And I was pretty well settling on a mid-western university when I got a call from Ernie Boyers who was }{\f2\fs22\expnd-1\expndtw-5\insrsid1203757 C
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y wife didn't particularly like the president's house}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  }{\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-3\insrsid1203757 because there were common rooms on the first two floors in the}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  faculty club.
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\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid1203757 been through a process at other colleges and met students and}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  }{\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-4\insrsid1203757 faculty and unions and trustees and educational foundations and}{
\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  }{\f2\fs22\expnd-1\expndtw-6\insrsid1203757 alumni -- all the various groups interviewing me, and each would}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  have a...
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\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  he was from Australia, and President of the Student
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Q: Yes... Excuse me. The 60s, from anything I've been able to gather, did really pass this place entirely.
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\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-3\insrsid1203757 cartel; they sort of divide it up and hand out what's agreeable}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  to them. So if they agreed to my appointment, I urged that Ernie be prepared. Ernie's response (and I'll always adore }{
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\f2\fs22\expnd-1\expndtw-6\insrsid1203757 Baccalaureate degree programs, every other college in the state}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  woulld want to do that. If you let the Fashion Institute go into graduate education, where do you draw the line? Other }{
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\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  in higher ed., the war, the veterans, the system of the }{\f2\fs22\expnd-1\expndtw-7\insrsid1203757 community college is really a bastard institution and they were}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  }{
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an industry, it's not geographic. It's not called Chelsea College. The Fashion Institute is..}{\f2\fs22\insrsid5524037 . the industry is our community}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757 . And that community has a different set of needs. }{
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\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  point of view. They had already broken into it, this whole business of "make your commitment."
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\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  apparel production." And generally we recognize that. But generally that's why the kids... That's why fashion... And by
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fashion... I'm sure you and Shirley Goodman talked pretty well,}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  }{\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid1203757 about educating people that fashion doesn't mean apparel. But}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  }{
\f2\fs22\expnd-1\expndtw-5\insrsid1203757 that was popular because kids wanted to go}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  }{\f36\fs22\insrsid1203757 in }{\f2\fs22\expnd-1\expndtw-5\insrsid1203757 those directions.}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  But these other 19 maj
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{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  }{\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid1203757 change orders. So they put a halt to it. We also had to piece}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  together the financing of it, because there was very little }{
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 Q; A professional union? A teachers' union?
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\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  that's }{\f2\fs22\expnd-1\expndtw-7\insrsid1203757 \tab }{\f2\fs22\expnd-1\expndtw-8\insrsid1203757 We took an enormous amount of abuse in public}{\f2\fs22\insrsid1203757  hearings for the baccalaureate programs...
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we work for? We're a SUNY institution, but we're really not. We're sponsored by the Board of Education of the City of 
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A: Not only the chairpersons. See, that's where it breaks down. We in administration serve the faculty, and we }{\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-4\insrsid2374116 serve... I can, without any discussion with anybody, decide I'm}{\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116  }{
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appoint them chairpersons. I'm not going to give sabbaticals}{\f5\fs22\insrsid2374116\charrsid2374116  just on the basis of longevity. All this we'll discuss.  So }{\f5\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid2374116\charrsid2374116 this is a diffi
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Management may decide or the faculty may decide, but when the}{\f5\fs22\insrsid2374116\charrsid2374116  }{\f5\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid2374116\charrsid2374116 faculty decides, it takes 2/3 of their vote, and they're only}{
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\f5\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid2374116\charrsid2374116 move." I then have a third step. I could appoint three people}{\f5\fs22\insrsid2374116\charrsid2374116  }{\f5\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid2374116\charrsid2374116 
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enough faith in the general level and commitment of the faculty}{\f5\fs22\insrsid2374116\charrsid12714663  }{\f5\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid2374116\charrsid12714663 that they really give a damn, and have maybe as much wisdom as}{
\f5\fs22\insrsid2374116\charrsid12714663  management, and you rely on a combination for that kind of a }{\f5\fs22\expnd-1\expndtw-6\insrsid2374116\charrsid12714663 decision, or we don't. And it's difficult to be .~ dean when the}{
\f5\fs22\insrsid2374116\charrsid12714663  }{\f5\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-4\insrsid2374116\charrsid12714663 dean doesn't have the fifth area of management, which is reward}{\f5\fs22\insrsid2374116\charrsid12714663  }{
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 And if you can't reward and you can't punish, most people in management can't exist. So it requires an awful lot of persuasion to manage in this kind of an environment, and not everybody is successful.
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ust said is generally true. But }{\f5\fs22\insrsid2374116\charrsid12714663 it's a little bit more severe here because we're not dealing with two divisions, we'r}{\f5\fs22\insrsid12714663 e dealing with 19 colleges and }{
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style and it was easier to manage. Here I've got artists in illustration and the hard nosed people who coo the virtues of business and marketing, and you're dealing with different mental sets and different approaches to problems, and it's an extremely dif
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me... Because, first of all, an Executive Assistant to the President really runs F.I.T., and that's Vikki Barbero, and anything that gets past her is really a problem, and I would say that 80% of the problems she solves long before... She's an ombudsman a
nd G-d knows what else, she runs my life as well. But, I have a Dean of Academic Affairs, I have a Dean of Students, I have the Treasurer of the College, I have a Vice President of Development, and that's the top management team.
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 the College, who is responsible for publications as well. That's my management team.
\par }{\f2\fs22\insrsid5982921 \tab    }{\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116 Each division has a dean. There's a Dean of Liberal }{\f2\fs22\expnd-1\expndtw-6\insrsid2374116 Arts; there's a Dean of Art & Design; there's a Dean of Business}{\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116 
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\par We now have a new division, a graduate division, b
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inet" when he deals with his libraries over there, and sometimes he's part of another group when it has to do with gallery exhibits - it's kind of a crazy job.
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this is the first place I've ever been where they stay on and}{\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116  on. I love it. Don't misunderstand me ... And it makes their jobs very, very difficult because...
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department and go through it, from the start of it to where it}{\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116  is when it finally becomes a place where people study?
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Q: For the Fashion Institute of Technology's Oral History Collection, this will be a second interview with }{\f2\fs22\expnd-1\expndtw-5\insrsid2374116 President Marvin Feldman for the project of the Oral History of}{\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116 
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\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid2374116\charrsid15866977 the programs we were thinking about going into (it was beyond}{\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116\charrsid15866977  }{\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-3\insrsid2374116\charrsid15866977 
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\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-3\insrsid2374116 think there is a need for retailers. There are people who have}{\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116  }{\f2\fs22\expnd-1\expndtw-5\insrsid2374116 to be visual merchants. Everything is changing in retailing, to}{
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{\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116  and warehousing, contracting - it's a totally different }{\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid2374116 discipline in the way we approach it. And at F.I.T., as we do}{\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116 
 everything else, we go from the specific to the general. I'm }{\f2\fs22\expnd-1\expndtw-6\insrsid2374116 positive that when we have our Master of Management Arts we will}{\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116  }{\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid2374116 
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to design and make sure it has a commensurate amount of attention in this institution.
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Secondly, we have to take a look at what's happened in marketing. We have the largest market in the world, but we've lost a third of it to other countries. We have to reclaim it. We have to reclaim it by better marketing techniques, which is why I said ea
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working for companies, doing some of their work in the Orient, for example? I know you're doing it in Europe; I mean the Orient.
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\par A: We have two programs now in import-export, which is in the curriculum. We hired a marvelous person who's spent a number of years in it. We've got any number of faculty persons now in the
 Orient; they're in Japan three or four times a year, in Thailand and Taiwan. The answer is yes, in international marketing.
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First of all, Americans have never really been interested in exporting. We've been expanding, always moving West; we've always had 
our own markets, and we have never really thought about exporting as being a fundamental concern until very recently. We know very little about exporting; we know very little about tariff agreements, common market textile problems, even metric systems and
 packaging and deliveries. We're dealing with very hostile countries when we deal with exporting, and it has to be done.
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be design that's going to make the difference, and not just}{\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116\charrsid2385215  running around searching for cheap labor. That's going to change. Do you know about the Draper Labs project?
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\par }\pard \ql \fi1080\li0\ri0\sl480\slmult1\nowidctlpar\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid2385215 {\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116\charrsid2385215 A: The apparel industry, along with the Amalgamated Union...Arrow Shirt and a few other 
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\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116\charrsid2385215  Draper Labs and deliberately kept every one of us in the }{\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-4\insrsid2374116\charrsid2385215 education ... in fashion education, out of this completely. And}{
\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116\charrsid2385215  }{\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-2\insrsid2374116\charrsid2385215 they went to the same people who gave us the aerospace and the}{\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116\charrsid2385215  }{
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\f2\fs22\expnd0\expndtw-3\insrsid2374116 pioneered so many social acts in this country...but they're...}{\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116  }{\f2\fs22\expnd-1\expndtw-5\insrsid2374116 I don't think the unions will ever be back to their 300-400,000}{
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\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116\charrsid3495711  }{\f2\fs22\expnd-1\expndtw-5\insrsid2374116\charrsid3495711 The people who are itinerant workers are really casual workers;}{\f2\fs22\insrsid2374116\charrsid3495711  }{
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At the alumni party the other night I was talking to half a dozen students who graduated from the college over the last eight years. Four of them, since the day they walked out of here, have been self-employ
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they laughed. They have a different agenda, and they're controlling their lives a lot differently. I went around talking to those kids. They were all making at least $2,000 a 
week. They work when they want to, and lead a life style that made me as nervous as a Depression baby. But they have a different agenda and they weren't about to go through the corporate world. Ever. And that's a very interesting phenomenon. I think it's 
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